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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.janegoodwin.net/2009/10/09/slow-down-my-aunt-fanny/comment-page-1/#comment-22354</link>
		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was an IQ160 kid genius and natural talent speedreader, now trying to launch a second career as a science-fiction writer.  Here&#039;s what my pre-college school career taught me:

ANY NAIL THAT STICKS UP GETS HAMMERED DOWN.  HARD!

To this day, I cannot function at ANYTHING creative unless I am totally, psychologically alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an IQ160 kid genius and natural talent speedreader, now trying to launch a second career as a science-fiction writer.  Here&#8217;s what my pre-college school career taught me:</p>
<p>ANY NAIL THAT STICKS UP GETS HAMMERED DOWN.  HARD!</p>
<p>To this day, I cannot function at ANYTHING creative unless I am totally, psychologically alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a slightly related note, as a teacher, I get somewhat annoyed at my colleagues who think that because they have gifted/talented students who do good work, that that somehow makes them wonderful teachers.  (Yes, I am little resentful about teaching all lower-level students, why do you ask? **g**)

Having been one of those students, I know that most of them would do the same quality of work no matter who was standing in front of them.  I think that is one of the reasons G/T students get overlooked, because they don&#039;t seem to need extra help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a slightly related note, as a teacher, I get somewhat annoyed at my colleagues who think that because they have gifted/talented students who do good work, that that somehow makes them wonderful teachers.  (Yes, I am little resentful about teaching all lower-level students, why do you ask? **g**)</p>
<p>Having been one of those students, I know that most of them would do the same quality of work no matter who was standing in front of them.  I think that is one of the reasons G/T students get overlooked, because they don&#8217;t seem to need extra help.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another one who learned to read very early -- my mother taught me to read while I was in kindergarten, and I remember being very indignant when I got into first grade, and the teacher gave me a book with no words in it.  Fortunately/unfortunately, at that time I attended a very experimental school (it was a Dept. of Defense K-12 school in the Philippines) and in 2nd grade they put me in a 5th grade reading class.  It screwed up my handwriting and social skills for a while, but it did help my reading.

The schools I was in never heard of gifted students, but we were tracked, which was almost as good, I guess.  The book I read in high school that made the biggest impact on my life and my schooling was Have Spacesuit, Will Travel by Robert Heinlein.  The lesson I learned from that was that I had to take responsibility for my own learning.  Because of that book, I took six years of math, mostly as independent study.  

If you as a parent are not satisfied with your child&#039;s education, DO SOMETHING.  Yes, it may not be fair that you have to do extra work, but at the end of the day, your child is your responsibility.  You know your child much better than the teacher, who either can&#039;t or won&#039;t accomodate each students&#039; starting point, background knowledge, and learning style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another one who learned to read very early &#8212; my mother taught me to read while I was in kindergarten, and I remember being very indignant when I got into first grade, and the teacher gave me a book with no words in it.  Fortunately/unfortunately, at that time I attended a very experimental school (it was a Dept. of Defense K-12 school in the Philippines) and in 2nd grade they put me in a 5th grade reading class.  It screwed up my handwriting and social skills for a while, but it did help my reading.</p>
<p>The schools I was in never heard of gifted students, but we were tracked, which was almost as good, I guess.  The book I read in high school that made the biggest impact on my life and my schooling was Have Spacesuit, Will Travel by Robert Heinlein.  The lesson I learned from that was that I had to take responsibility for my own learning.  Because of that book, I took six years of math, mostly as independent study.  </p>
<p>If you as a parent are not satisfied with your child&#8217;s education, DO SOMETHING.  Yes, it may not be fair that you have to do extra work, but at the end of the day, your child is your responsibility.  You know your child much better than the teacher, who either can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t accomodate each students&#8217; starting point, background knowledge, and learning style.</p>
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		<title>By: Mekei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mekei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the parent of a spec needs student and a GT student.  IMHO, every child in every school should have the equivalent of strength-based IEP (enforceable).  What is frustrating is that the special ed IEP process is totally deficit-based.

I agree parents need to be advocates all the same....if your child isn&#039;t being challenged, get out and organize!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the parent of a spec needs student and a GT student.  IMHO, every child in every school should have the equivalent of strength-based IEP (enforceable).  What is frustrating is that the special ed IEP process is totally deficit-based.</p>
<p>I agree parents need to be advocates all the same&#8230;.if your child isn&#8217;t being challenged, get out and organize!</p>
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		<title>By: chasmyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>chasmyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, I had a similar experience in school, and was just sharing this with a friend of mine yesterday when he asked why we were planning on homeschooling my son. 

I, too, was no genius, but was a reader. I LOVED to read. I always read ahead in all of my classes, and had the entire text book finished when it was early in the year. I&#039;d get in trouble for reading ahead, but what else was there to do when I&#039;d finished all of my classwork and wasn&#039;t allowed outside books? 

They told me in third grade that I was reading at a twelfth grade level. and even then, I thought, &quot;Isn&#039;t 12th the highest grade? So what next?&quot; What next, indeed. Sit down and suppress all of your intelligence for the next 9 years, that&#039;s what. Get all your work done and then sit in class, bored to tears, finishing all of your homework for that night before you even leave school. Let your brain rot while not ever being challenged, ever, because the class has to cater to the middle - not the slowest and not the fastest, but to the average.  

A lot of kids get left behind in that scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, I had a similar experience in school, and was just sharing this with a friend of mine yesterday when he asked why we were planning on homeschooling my son. </p>
<p>I, too, was no genius, but was a reader. I LOVED to read. I always read ahead in all of my classes, and had the entire text book finished when it was early in the year. I&#8217;d get in trouble for reading ahead, but what else was there to do when I&#8217;d finished all of my classwork and wasn&#8217;t allowed outside books? </p>
<p>They told me in third grade that I was reading at a twelfth grade level. and even then, I thought, &#8220;Isn&#8217;t 12th the highest grade? So what next?&#8221; What next, indeed. Sit down and suppress all of your intelligence for the next 9 years, that&#8217;s what. Get all your work done and then sit in class, bored to tears, finishing all of your homework for that night before you even leave school. Let your brain rot while not ever being challenged, ever, because the class has to cater to the middle &#8211; not the slowest and not the fastest, but to the average.  </p>
<p>A lot of kids get left behind in that scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a high school student, I took things into my own hands and created a curriculum for myself, took it to the principal, superintendent, and school board in order to implement it, and then basically planned out a couple classes for myself. Why? Because I wasn&#039;t challenged enough and I wanted to be. A huge issue now is that we accommodate everyone EXCEPT the G/T students, which is my biggest pet peeve in education these days. Even in my education classes in college, we spent tons of time on all the other &quot;exceptional students&quot; and only spent about fifteen minutes total, in an entire semester&#039;s work, on G/T students and their &quot;special needs.&quot; The basic idea most people came away with was that G/T students should have accommodation plans to ensure they are being educated to the best of their ability to learn; however, all the other students were much more important and their parents were more likely to demand attention for them.

You&#039;re my heroine for bringing this to the forefront more and more. One thing aspiring teachers should remember is that more of the same work is not sufficient for G/T students: They need more advanced work in a similar vein to keep their minds stimulated. I only had one teacher in all my elementary and secondary school years who actually understood this, and he will always be remembered fondly for his understanding of what I needed in class to be successful. He didn&#039;t give me more work on top of what everyone else was doing; he gave me more advanced work than everyone else was doing to keep me interested and attuned to what he was teaching us. (Still on topic, of course, with what he was teaching. He was an amazing teacher.)

My seven-year-old self and your seven-year-old self would have been good friends. We could have commiserated about the terrible teachers and how misunderstood we were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a high school student, I took things into my own hands and created a curriculum for myself, took it to the principal, superintendent, and school board in order to implement it, and then basically planned out a couple classes for myself. Why? Because I wasn&#8217;t challenged enough and I wanted to be. A huge issue now is that we accommodate everyone EXCEPT the G/T students, which is my biggest pet peeve in education these days. Even in my education classes in college, we spent tons of time on all the other &#8220;exceptional students&#8221; and only spent about fifteen minutes total, in an entire semester&#8217;s work, on G/T students and their &#8220;special needs.&#8221; The basic idea most people came away with was that G/T students should have accommodation plans to ensure they are being educated to the best of their ability to learn; however, all the other students were much more important and their parents were more likely to demand attention for them.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re my heroine for bringing this to the forefront more and more. One thing aspiring teachers should remember is that more of the same work is not sufficient for G/T students: They need more advanced work in a similar vein to keep their minds stimulated. I only had one teacher in all my elementary and secondary school years who actually understood this, and he will always be remembered fondly for his understanding of what I needed in class to be successful. He didn&#8217;t give me more work on top of what everyone else was doing; he gave me more advanced work than everyone else was doing to keep me interested and attuned to what he was teaching us. (Still on topic, of course, with what he was teaching. He was an amazing teacher.)</p>
<p>My seven-year-old self and your seven-year-old self would have been good friends. We could have commiserated about the terrible teachers and how misunderstood we were.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the Gifted &amp; Talented Coordinator for my district. I am responsible for 150 kids&#039; academic needs. (we have 8 coaches for our 40 member football team!) 

I am not allowed to see my high school kids (schedule problems), I occasionally get to see my Middle School kids, and am not allowed to make accommodations for the elementary kids. I can only have them for &quot;pull-out&quot;. Believe me, we work hard and fast and furious during that time! And they love it! And want more. 

So how, exactly, has the learning experience for these kids been improved since we were kids? How can NCLB truly  &quot;improve academic achievement&quot; for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the Gifted &amp; Talented Coordinator for my district. I am responsible for 150 kids&#8217; academic needs. (we have 8 coaches for our 40 member football team!) </p>
<p>I am not allowed to see my high school kids (schedule problems), I occasionally get to see my Middle School kids, and am not allowed to make accommodations for the elementary kids. I can only have them for &#8220;pull-out&#8221;. Believe me, we work hard and fast and furious during that time! And they love it! And want more. </p>
<p>So how, exactly, has the learning experience for these kids been improved since we were kids? How can NCLB truly  &#8220;improve academic achievement&#8221; for them?</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post made my day.  I was the same child growing up.  I loved reading. My mom would have to hide my books so I would sleep at night.  Luckily I was blessed with a 2nd grade teacher who saw my love for books and she pulled books from the library especially for me.  I got to read 8th grade reading level while others still were in beginning levels of reading.  3rd grade was a huge push backward, my teacher felt inconvenienced at having someone so excited to read at a higher level.  Nowadays, I wish I had the time to read.

As a student teacher, I am continually amazed as I observe in different classrooms at how teachers handle advanced or gifted students.  Some follow the take away recess method and others foster the love for knowledge.  I think it is something all teachers really should pay more attention to. Over and over again we are reminded as education students to make sure not to leave anyone behind, but sometimes it is at the cost of leaving a love for reading or knowledge behind, which I think many forget.  As a Spanish teacher, I am continually on the look out for effect ways of reaching out to those students who want to learn more, but it really it tough.  Hopefully I get better with it in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post made my day.  I was the same child growing up.  I loved reading. My mom would have to hide my books so I would sleep at night.  Luckily I was blessed with a 2nd grade teacher who saw my love for books and she pulled books from the library especially for me.  I got to read 8th grade reading level while others still were in beginning levels of reading.  3rd grade was a huge push backward, my teacher felt inconvenienced at having someone so excited to read at a higher level.  Nowadays, I wish I had the time to read.</p>
<p>As a student teacher, I am continually amazed as I observe in different classrooms at how teachers handle advanced or gifted students.  Some follow the take away recess method and others foster the love for knowledge.  I think it is something all teachers really should pay more attention to. Over and over again we are reminded as education students to make sure not to leave anyone behind, but sometimes it is at the cost of leaving a love for reading or knowledge behind, which I think many forget.  As a Spanish teacher, I am continually on the look out for effect ways of reaching out to those students who want to learn more, but it really it tough.  Hopefully I get better with it in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes F. in Hapeville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes F. in Hapeville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If memory serves, didn&#039;t they cut the G&amp;T program back at My Old School District to pay for a new gym floor for the *junior high*?

People wonder why I rarely go back home.

WF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If memory serves, didn&#8217;t they cut the G&amp;T program back at My Old School District to pay for a new gym floor for the *junior high*?</p>
<p>People wonder why I rarely go back home.</p>
<p>WF</p>
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		<title>By: Kethrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kethrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt very much the same way. Third grade was my first terrible school year, because my school changed the reading program from a level-based one to a grade-based one.

I started in Kindergarten with the level-based program, reading stories while the other kids were still learning their ABC&#039;s. My very kind K teacher explained to me that she was sorry that I had to sit through those lessons since she knew I already knew how to read, but I would have to be patient while the other kids learned and I waited for my reading lesson.

In second grade, I was the only kid in the grade reading at the level I was, so to have me be in a reading group with someone else, I got skipped up a level to be with the third grader who was the highest level reader in her grade.

In third grade, I was forced back YEARS of reading experience when the program was changed to one where the whole class read the same book at the same time, and I had to sit there, bored to tears, while other kids struggled through books that I&#039;d read years before. This continued throughout high school, even, since I was reading the books that my two-years-older brother brought home from his English classes.

Our talented and gifted program (diluted, by the time I got in, in fourth grade, by lowering the bar to allow more kids in, which diluted the amount of attention we got and what we were able to do) was cut when I was in eighth grade. My mom fought for years to get it back, and the town finally agreed. Too late to be of any more use to me, but great for the kids who can still benefit from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt very much the same way. Third grade was my first terrible school year, because my school changed the reading program from a level-based one to a grade-based one.</p>
<p>I started in Kindergarten with the level-based program, reading stories while the other kids were still learning their ABC&#8217;s. My very kind K teacher explained to me that she was sorry that I had to sit through those lessons since she knew I already knew how to read, but I would have to be patient while the other kids learned and I waited for my reading lesson.</p>
<p>In second grade, I was the only kid in the grade reading at the level I was, so to have me be in a reading group with someone else, I got skipped up a level to be with the third grader who was the highest level reader in her grade.</p>
<p>In third grade, I was forced back YEARS of reading experience when the program was changed to one where the whole class read the same book at the same time, and I had to sit there, bored to tears, while other kids struggled through books that I&#8217;d read years before. This continued throughout high school, even, since I was reading the books that my two-years-older brother brought home from his English classes.</p>
<p>Our talented and gifted program (diluted, by the time I got in, in fourth grade, by lowering the bar to allow more kids in, which diluted the amount of attention we got and what we were able to do) was cut when I was in eighth grade. My mom fought for years to get it back, and the town finally agreed. Too late to be of any more use to me, but great for the kids who can still benefit from it.</p>
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